Myanmar to receive first batch of Chinese SY-400 short-range ballistic missiles

[Kamikaze]

Myanmar (formerly Burma) is going to receive the first batch of Chinese-made SY-400 short-range ballistic missiles in very soon after a series of tough negotiations for years. Myanmar will also get some kinds of technology transfer for SY-400 along with some amount of loan to cover as the result of prolonged discussions.

The SY-400 also called DF-12A system in standard configuration has eight containers (canisters) with solid-fuel missiles. Missiles are factory-fitted into these containers and can be stored for years without requiring additional maintenance. Missiles are launched vertically and have a range of about 400 km. SY-400 can use different types of warheads.

SY-400 missile is equipped with GPS/INS guidance system. It is steered to the intended target in the initial flight phase by four control surfaces and stabilizing fins. The missile uses a low lowering rate to extend the range. Multiple missiles can be aimed at different targets.

The missile launcher units are mounted at the rear of on Wanshan 8x8 high-mobility military truck chassis. The truck is powered by a Deutz Diesel engine developing 517 hp. It can run at a maximum road speed of 75 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 650 km.

In December 2017, it was announced that Qatar Armed Forces has acquired SY-400 short-range ballistic missile system from China. The missile system was showcased the same year during the rehearsal of the Qatar National Day parade.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/apr...Q7-83ZYV1Jjz4BI0MuJkIVEiW7L9YY7FNLfGnCYJMnPHg

[Maisson]

Now you can imagine the kind of destabilising role China is playing in this region.

[Kamikaze]

51 minutes ago, Syed Amar Khan said:

Now you can imagine the kind of destabilising role China is playing in this region.

They are supplying both sides,  they may sell this to us also if we are interested. It's kinda surprising how they got TOT for SAM and now SRBM, they might try to increase the range in future. Now we gotta be more serious about our own air defense, frigate and ballistic missile project. 

[avicenna]

What the hell is going on?

What will Bangladesh do to respond to this?

This deal is problematic.

[Maisson]

The Bangladesh government is very relaxed about Myanmar, which is partly why the Rohingya influx even occurred. Our intelligence community has known for a fact that Myanmar was wanting to purchase the SY-400 since the past couple of years now because Chinese authorities informed their Bangladeshi counterparts since Myanmar general's visited the country for the test firing a couple of years ago. If Bangladesh government does not act then what is the fault of the Chinese? They will try to profiteer any how they can. Now China will increasingly play a destabilising role in the region as Bangladesh is choosing the West.

Western countries will never offer Bangladesh such technologies nor do they have any equivalent to the SY-400.

Bangladesh will have to have overwhelming air power superiority over Myanmar to effectively neutralise the threat from SRBM and long range GMLRS.

The Bangladesh Army just barely signed a contract for Type B GMLRS, which has a range of 120 km. It is playing catch up now with Myanmar.

 

[Maisson]

Apparently this is an April Fool's joke.

[Girls' Generation]

China can't sell any missile or rocket or bomb ranging more than 300 km. They promised to honour mtcr. So our future type-a gmlrs and their srbm will have same range,most possibly

[Girls' Generation]

1 hour ago, Syed Amar Khan said:

Apparently this is an April Fool's joke.

So the news is fake?!

[Ghost]

2 hours ago, Girls' Generation said:

So the news is fake?!

army recognition copied the whole article from a facebook defense related page called "myanmar and asean military updates"...dont knw whether its true of false..

[Maisson]

Its been confirmed the "news" is not genuine however it is true that Myanmar has been trying to purchase the SY-400 for years now as per our own defence sources.

[Ghost]

3 hours ago, Syed Amar Khan said:

Its been confirmed the "news" is not genuine however it is true that Myanmar has been trying to purchase the SY-400 for years now as per our own defence sources.

but  "voa(voice of america) " has confirmed this news that myanmar army  bought sy400..we need to speed up our acquisition process of type A gmlrs...

[Maisson]

2 hours ago, Ghost said:

but  "voa(voice of america) " has confirmed this news that myanmar army  bought sy400..we need to speed up our acquisition process of type A gmlrs...

When the rumours get put on to more serious websites it takes on the colour of truth. Needless to say it was proven to be a hoax.

[Kamikaze]

On 4/7/2020 at 6:42 AM, avicenna said:

What the hell is going on?

What will Bangladesh do to respond to this?

This deal is problematic.

Oh don't worry we will scare them off with all those firecrackers from Mujib's 100th birthday, if there's left any.   Or maybe we can use mythical TRG-300A with 300 km range.  Probably gonna achieve so called FG 2030 in 2070. The problem is Myanmar directly went for SLBM while we are buying things step by step in few amounts. Hopefully Type B GMLRS wiil provide some deterrence.

20 hours ago, Girls' Generation said:

China can't sell any missile or rocket or bomb ranging more than 300 km. They promised to honour mtcr. So our future type-a gmlrs and their srbm will have same range,most possibly

They can and already did that to Qatar as the system is being exported as rocket artillery instead of missile to avoid 300km restriction. 

12 hours ago, Syed Amar Khan said:

Its been confirmed the "news" is not genuine however it is true that Myanmar has been trying to purchase the SY-400 for years now as per our own defence sources.

See that's our problem. I don't understand why some of us have tendency to refute any news on Burmese military. So what if this news is false, should we relax now? Should we wait for to suddenly unveil it in a military parade like Qatar did? We already knew they are trying to get it since 2017. Lots of guys didn't care then also. Like you mentioned in earlier comment, we relax too much. We are too slow at procuring things.

While Myanmar is committed and  gets things done faster than us we divert the little budget we get for building bridge for years or saving garments owner who doesn't even need that. Our budget goes in waste to feed corrupted-incompetent cunts. And the news is now in VOA, Military Watch magazine, so won't be surprised if it's true. 

News report in 2017- https://defence-blog.com/news/myanmar-looks-to-buy-chinese-sy-400-ballistic-missile-systems.html

Others now- https://burmese.voanews.com/a/myanmar-china-sy-400-missile-/5362610.html

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/myanmar-to-receive-sy-400-ballistic-missiles-from-china-platforms-will-complement-existing-north-korean-arsenal?fbclid=IwAR0an2_1oJIPz195OSWjp7iIUgTq7iWtpkMdBUyOVnVLKoK-xRn_ZL1904k

[tahmid]

Corona Virus has probably delayed our defense acquisition by years. I will be very surprised if things go according to plan. 

[Ghost]

yet no confirmation news from janes or tass...

[Kamikaze]

Chinese missiles for Myanmar, Bangladesh worried

Myanmar is all set to receive the first batch of Chinese-made SY-400 short-range ballistic missiles very soon.

This follows several years of intense negotiations.

Ofiicials say Myanmar will also get some kinds of technology transfer for SY-400 along with some loan to cover as the result of prolonged discussions.

SY-400 short-range ballistic missiles were displayed at Air Show China in November 2018.

The SY-400 also called DF-12A system in standard configuration has eight containers (canisters) with solid-fuel missiles.

Missiles are factory-fitted into these containers and can be stored for years without requiring additional maintenance. Missiles are launched vertically and have a range of about 400 km. SY-400 can use different types of warheads.

SY-400 missile is equipped with GPS/INS guidance system. It is steered to the intended target in the initial flight phase by four control surfaces and stabilizing fins. The missile uses a low lowering rate to extend the range. Multiple missiles can be aimed at different targets.

The missile launcher units are mounted at the rear of on Wanshan 8×8 high-mobility military truck chassis. The truck is powered by a Deutz Diesel engine developing 517 hp. It can run at a maximum road speed of 75 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 650 km.

In December 2017, it was announced that Qatar Armed Forces has acquired SY-400 short-range ballistic missile system from China. The missile system was showcased the same year during the rehearsal of the Qatar National Day parade.

Bangladesh, with which Myanmar shares a border and with whom its relations are frayed over tge Rohingya refugee issue, is concerned.

“Myanmar will surely not use these against its own insurgents or against India. This could only be procured with us in mind,” said a senior Bangladesh diplomat here but on condition of anonymity.

UN investigators urged the international community end of last year to server ties with top Myanmar companies which finance the military in carrying out atrocities against Rohingya Muslims in the country’s western Rakhine state.

A UN fact-finding mission has released a report detailing the degree to which Myanmar’s military has used its own businesses, foreign companies and arms deals to support a brutal crackdown which has forced more than 750,000 Rohingya to flee to bordering Bangladesh.

The report said military-owned conglomerates; Myanmar Economic Holdings Limited (MEHL) and Myanmar Economic Corporation (MEC) account for a huge share of the country’s economy.

“The revenue that these military businesses generate strengthens the Tatmadaw’s autonomy from elected civilian oversight and provides financial support for the Tatmadaw’s operations with their wide array of international human rights and humanitarian law violations,” said mission expert Christopher Sidoti, using the official name of the Myanmar Armed Forces.

Nearly 60 foreign companies have dealings with at least 120 businesses controlled by two military-owned firms, it said

“These foreign companies risk contributing to, or being linked to, violations of international human rights and humanitarian law. At a minimum, they are contributing to supporting the military’s financial capacity,” it said.

Mission chair Marzuki Darusman said removing military from the country’s economy will foster the continued liberalization and growth of Myanmar’s economy.

“In addition to isolating the Tatmadaw financially, we have to promote economic ties with non-Tatmadaw companies and businesses in Myanmar,” said Darusman.

It said 45 companies and organizations in Myanmar donated over $10 million to the military in the weeks following the beginning of the 2017 clearance operations in Rakhine State.

“Officials of these companies should be investigated with a view to criminal prosecution for making substantial and direct contributions to the commission of crimes under international law, including crimes against humanity,” Sidoti said.

The report also mentioned two top private firms, KBZ groups and Max Myanmar helped finance the construction of a barrier fence along the Myanmar-Bangladesh border.

The fact-finding mission team on Rohingya also called for a full international embargo on arms sales against Myanmar, revealing that a number of companies from seven countries have been supplying weapons to Myanmar’s military amid the humanitarian crisis faced by the minority group.

There are 14 companies from China, North Korea, India, Israel, the Philippines, Russia and Ukraine that have been supplying fighter jets, armored fighting vehicles, warships, missiles and missile launchers to Myanmar since 2016, said the report.

“These countries should have known that selling arms to Myanmar would have a direct adverse impact on the human rights of people in Myanmar,” it added.

The UN emphasized that arms transfer is contrary to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) to which North Korea, Israel, Russia and Ukraine are all state parties, while China is a signatory.

It stressed that the named states have failed to effectively implement human rights effectively.

“Therefore, further investigation is required in connection with the nature of weapons or related items that Myanmar may obtain from two businesses based in Singapore, which are not parties or signatories to the ICCPR,” the report said.

“That is why we have called for an embargo that will send a clear message: Dealing with the Tatmadaw from today on will have international legal consequences,” Darusman said during a news conference in Jakarta.

The Rohingya, described by the UN as the world’s most persecuted people, have faced heightened fears of attack since dozens were killed in communal violence in 2012.

According to Amnesty International, more than 750,000 Rohingya refugees, mostly women and children, have fled Myanmar and crossed into Bangladesh after Myanmar forces launched a crackdown on the minority Muslim community in August 2017, pushing the number of persecuted people in Bangladesh above 1.2 million.

On 4/11/2020 at 12:26 PM, Ghost said:

yet no confirmation news from janes or tass...

Why would TASS report it? They usually report Russian hardware sale. And how many reports Janes makes about BD or Myanmar? Just because they didn't report doesn't really mean countries aren't buying it. Anyway if they really buy it they should be revealing it at next parade. Sooner or later we will find out about the truth.

[tahmid]

7 hours ago, Kamikaze said:

Chinese missiles for Myanmar, Bangladesh worried

Myanmar is all set to receive the first batch of Chinese-made SY-400 short-range ballistic missiles very soon.

This follows several years of intense negotiations.

Ofiicials say Myanmar will also get some kinds of technology transfer for SY-400 along with some loan to cover as the result of prolonged discussions.

SY-400 short-range ballistic missiles were displayed at Air Show China in November 2018.

The SY-400 also called DF-12A system in standard configuration has eight containers (canisters) with solid-fuel missiles.

Missiles are factory-fitted into these containers and can be stored for years without requiring additional maintenance. Missiles are launched vertically and have a range of about 400 km. SY-400 can use different types of warheads.

SY-400 missile is equipped with GPS/INS guidance system. It is steered to the intended target in the initial flight phase by four control surfaces and stabilizing fins. The missile uses a low lowering rate to extend the range. Multiple missiles can be aimed at different targets.

The missile launcher units are mounted at the rear of on Wanshan 8×8 high-mobility military truck chassis. The truck is powered by a Deutz Diesel engine developing 517 hp. It can run at a maximum road speed of 75 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 650 km.

In December 2017, it was announced that Qatar Armed Forces has acquired SY-400 short-range ballistic missile system from China. The missile system was showcased the same year during the rehearsal of the Qatar National Day parade.

Bangladesh, with which Myanmar shares a border and with whom its relations are frayed over tge Rohingya refugee issue, is concerned.

“Myanmar will surely not use these against its own insurgents or against India. This could only be procured with us in mind,” said a senior Bangladesh diplomat here but on condition of anonymity.

UN investigators urged the international community end of last year to server ties with top Myanmar companies which finance the military in carrying out atrocities against Rohingya Muslims in the country’s western Rakhine state.

A UN fact-finding mission has released a report detailing the degree to which Myanmar’s military has used its own businesses, foreign companies and arms deals to support a brutal crackdown which has forced more than 750,000 Rohingya to flee to bordering Bangladesh.

The report said military-owned conglomerates; Myanmar Economic Holdings Limited (MEHL) and Myanmar Economic Corporation (MEC) account for a huge share of the country’s economy.

“The revenue that these military businesses generate strengthens the Tatmadaw’s autonomy from elected civilian oversight and provides financial support for the Tatmadaw’s operations with their wide array of international human rights and humanitarian law violations,” said mission expert Christopher Sidoti, using the official name of the Myanmar Armed Forces.

Nearly 60 foreign companies have dealings with at least 120 businesses controlled by two military-owned firms, it said

“These foreign companies risk contributing to, or being linked to, violations of international human rights and humanitarian law. At a minimum, they are contributing to supporting the military’s financial capacity,” it said.

Mission chair Marzuki Darusman said removing military from the country’s economy will foster the continued liberalization and growth of Myanmar’s economy.

“In addition to isolating the Tatmadaw financially, we have to promote economic ties with non-Tatmadaw companies and businesses in Myanmar,” said Darusman.

It said 45 companies and organizations in Myanmar donated over $10 million to the military in the weeks following the beginning of the 2017 clearance operations in Rakhine State.

“Officials of these companies should be investigated with a view to criminal prosecution for making substantial and direct contributions to the commission of crimes under international law, including crimes against humanity,” Sidoti said.

The report also mentioned two top private firms, KBZ groups and Max Myanmar helped finance the construction of a barrier fence along the Myanmar-Bangladesh border.

The fact-finding mission team on Rohingya also called for a full international embargo on arms sales against Myanmar, revealing that a number of companies from seven countries have been supplying weapons to Myanmar’s military amid the humanitarian crisis faced by the minority group.

There are 14 companies from China, North Korea, India, Israel, the Philippines, Russia and Ukraine that have been supplying fighter jets, armored fighting vehicles, warships, missiles and missile launchers to Myanmar since 2016, said the report.

“These countries should have known that selling arms to Myanmar would have a direct adverse impact on the human rights of people in Myanmar,” it added.

The UN emphasized that arms transfer is contrary to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) to which North Korea, Israel, Russia and Ukraine are all state parties, while China is a signatory.

It stressed that the named states have failed to effectively implement human rights effectively.

“Therefore, further investigation is required in connection with the nature of weapons or related items that Myanmar may obtain from two businesses based in Singapore, which are not parties or signatories to the ICCPR,” the report said.

“That is why we have called for an embargo that will send a clear message: Dealing with the Tatmadaw from today on will have international legal consequences,” Darusman said during a news conference in Jakarta.

The Rohingya, described by the UN as the world’s most persecuted people, have faced heightened fears of attack since dozens were killed in communal violence in 2012.

According to Amnesty International, more than 750,000 Rohingya refugees, mostly women and children, have fled Myanmar and crossed into Bangladesh after Myanmar forces launched a crackdown on the minority Muslim community in August 2017, pushing the number of persecuted people in Bangladesh above 1.2 million.

Why would TASS report it? They usually report Russian hardware sale. And how many reports Janes makes about BD or Myanmar? Just because they didn't report doesn't really mean countries aren't buying it. Anyway if they really buy it they should be revealing it at next parade. Sooner or later we will find out about the truth.

They might not show it in their parade to keep us in the dark. Either way we are falling behind and this Corona virus is further aggravating the situation.

[Ghost]

Two AW159 Wildcat helicopters in anti-submarine variant have also been ordered by the Bangladesh Navy

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/06/philippine-navy-inducts-two-aw159-wildcat-helicopters/

anyone knws about the delivery date ??

[Kamikaze]

Can we take this chance to start local production of Grom-2 with ToT as Ukrainians are in dire need of funding?

https://defence-blog.com/news/ukraine-suspends-production-of-new-missile-systems.html?fbclid=IwAR0ye3UgfumHo1FvLNqT6H0yIy4zFAjX37t6BVCCMHlQxF4cbU303VNU_IU

10 hours ago, Ghost said:

Two AW159 Wildcat helicopters in anti-submarine variant have also been ordered by the Bangladesh Navy

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/06/philippine-navy-inducts-two-aw159-wildcat-helicopters/

anyone knws about the delivery date ??

Wrong section. I think something is wrong.

[Nihonjin Karatumo]

Truth to be told. Not many people researched the SY-400 system in question.

Before any freaks out. MA is indeed looking into acquiring SY-400 systems, but questions is which one?

You see there's two version of SY-400 MBRLS; one that can accommodate 12 x 300mm rockets with range of 120 km. And other one is for 2 x canister of BP-12A SRBM.

The vehicle for this MBRL is modular. All in all MA will might buy the SY-400, but only the 300mm rocket artillery. 

Meanwhile, Turkey's T-300 Kasirga also offer KHAN SRBM alongside the TRG-300 & TRGK-300 rockets in similar modular vehicle set-up. 

With that said, after much deliberations and evaluations, BA went for something that can counter Chinese system on the market. 

[Kamikaze]

21 hours ago, Nihonjin Karatumo said:

Truth to be told. Not many people researched the SY-400 system in question.

Before any freaks out. MA is indeed looking into acquiring SY-400 systems, but questions is which one?

You see there's two version of SY-400 MBRLS; one that can accommodate 12 x 300mm rockets with range of 120 km. And other one is for 2 x canister of BP-12A SRBM.

The vehicle for this MBRL is modular. All in all MA will might buy the SY-400, but only the 300mm rocket artillery. 

Meanwhile, Turkey's T-300 Kasirga also offer KHAN SRBM alongside the TRG-300 & TRGK-300 rockets in similar modular vehicle set-up. 

With that said, after much deliberations and evaluations, BA went for something that can counter Chinese system on the market. 

Doesn't look like you researched well either. SY-400 can carry 8 rockets maximum. You said Myanmar "might" buy, that means you don't know anything too. You are hoping like others that this news won't turn out to be true. Our army chief clearly stated that it will be TRG-300, not anything else. Even if army buys Khan missile, it won't match BP-12A in range. The only thing that can match/exceed is Grom-2 if we manage to get ToT. Anyway where did get info about 300mm rocket with 120km range?

[Nihonjin Karatumo]

1 hour ago, Kamikaze said:

Doesn't look like you researched well either. SY-400 can carry 8 rockets maximum. You said Myanmar "might" buy, that means you don't know anything too. You are hoping like others that this news won't turn out to be true. Our army chief clearly stated that it will be TRG-300, not anything else. Even if army buys Khan missile, it won't match BP-12A in range. The only thing that can match/exceed is Grom-2 if we manage to get ToT. Anyway where did get info about 300mm rocket with 120km range?

I glanced through the link. Perhaps I missed something. 

Anyways, here's the link.

https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/eastern-arsenal/sy-400-guided-rocket-makes-tv-debut/

As for the range ..... for Kasirgas!

https://www.azernews.az/nation/102564.html

[Kamikaze]

44 minutes ago, Nihonjin Karatumo said:

I glanced through the link. Perhaps I missed something. 

Anyways, here's the link.

https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/eastern-arsenal/sy-400-guided-rocket-makes-tv-debut/

As for the range ..... for Kasirgas!

https://www.azernews.az/nation/102564.html

Yup, Popular Science is definitely wrong about the second missile as i crossed checked the info with other sources. Among one of them i found different data about the second missile but i still doubt it as it mentions three types of missile. Lets just wait more credible data form few more reliable sites. I don't know why you gave me the second link though.